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Uniwares
Tomato Guru

Portugal
2321 Posts

Posted - Dec 17 2003 :  4:12:22 PM  Show Profile


a) look at the comment in the tooltip - white background
b) arent there too many references/relations for LPCTSTR ??? Somewhat redundant

Edited by - support on Jan 15 2004 09:32:22 AM

Cezariusz
Tomato Guru

Poland
244 Posts

Posted - Dec 18 2003 :  04:11:03 AM  Show Profile
Arrrr. PNG images has stopped displaying in my IE for a year or so, anyone knows a solution?

Cezariusz Marek
https://midicat.net/
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Stephen
Tomato Guru

United Kingdom
781 Posts

Posted - Dec 18 2003 :  04:29:15 AM  Show Profile
Use Mozilla?

Stephen Turner
ClickTracks http://www.clicktracks.com/
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Darren
Tomato Guru

USA
105 Posts

Posted - Dec 18 2003 :  06:47:15 AM  Show Profile
Firebird!
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Uniwares
Tomato Guru

Portugal
2321 Posts

Posted - Dec 18 2003 :  08:44:11 AM  Show Profile
Yep, Firebird works amazingly good. But its soooo slow to startup. And its not really good in XML/XSL.
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support
Whole Tomato Software

5566 Posts

Posted - Dec 18 2003 :  11:40:37 AM  Show Profile
Should be fixed in 1208.

Firebird kicks butt!!!

-Jerry

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Uniwares
Tomato Guru

Portugal
2321 Posts

Posted - Dec 18 2003 :  1:52:45 PM  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by support

Should be fixed in 1208.


Sorry, not fixed.


(this time in jpg for our handicaped readers)
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support
Whole Tomato Software

5566 Posts

Posted - Dec 18 2003 :  5:30:58 PM  Show Profile
Okay, we half-fixed the tooltip coloring problem in 1208. We believe we have the rest of the fix in 1209 (not available at the time of this post.)

Regarding LPCTSTR, the HCB displays all it knows about the type. VA X doesn't know that it's just a pointer to something you can't modify.

LPCTSTR is typedef'd many ways, some depending on #ifdefs. Some typedefs use TCHAR which itself is defined several ways. If you want to know more, try Go'ing to the definition(s) of LPCTSTR. (Not really worth the trouble.)

We don't have an elegant fix, or hack. The problem is pervasive with C/C++ programming. VA X learns from headers -- it does not ship with a prebuilt database of known symbols and user-friendly definitions. VA X learns from what it sees -- that's how it can provide help for 3rd party libraries and your own code.

We suppose another option is to avoid displaying info for non-class symbols. We don't want this either. Sometimes you want the info, particulary when perusing unfamiliar code.

We are stuck for the time being with the excessive info.

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Uniwares
Tomato Guru

Portugal
2321 Posts

Posted - Dec 18 2003 :  6:39:38 PM  Show Profile
All right, just get the tooltips right then
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Cezariusz
Tomato Guru

Poland
244 Posts

Posted - Dec 19 2003 :  04:22:21 AM  Show Profile
Thanks Uniwares . While I like the idea of PNG format I have reasons to stick with IE.
But anyway I'm just trying Firebird Firefox and it looks promising. I've tried several IE alternatives, including Opera and old Mozilla, but I didn't like them for various reasons. And I didn't know about Firebird Firefox project before.

Cezariusz Marek
https://midicat.net/

Edited by - Cezariusz on Feb 13 2004 04:07:58 AM
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Darren
Tomato Guru

USA
105 Posts

Posted - Dec 19 2003 :  07:17:39 AM  Show Profile
off topic as usual but the only two things I don't like about Firebird is 1) DHTML doesn't always work right 2) You can't go to windowsupdate.com and expect it to work. What those mean is you always have to use IE for something. Other than that Firebird is the best browser. It's faster, it's opensource, it's very extensible which leads to many cool plugins like integrated popup/ad blocking.

Their email client Thunderbird is coming on nicely too. It's spam blocking is amazing but it needs to mature a little bit more.

Edited by - Darren on Dec 19 2003 07:18:20 AM
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Cezariusz
Tomato Guru

Poland
244 Posts

Posted - Dec 29 2003 :  08:28:24 AM  Show Profile
quote:
Firebird kicks butt!!!

So why don't you put a tomato favicon on the site? I like the icons on tabs.

Cezariusz Marek
https://midicat.net/
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Darren
Tomato Guru

USA
105 Posts

Posted - Dec 31 2003 :  10:25:13 AM  Show Profile
What do you mean by favicon? An icon to put wholetomato.com in your favorites or a particular forum topic or what?

I like the tomato icons on the tabs too. I originally was using all these colors but I logically could find a fit for the "odd" colors.
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Stephen
Tomato Guru

United Kingdom
781 Posts

Posted - Dec 31 2003 :  10:36:56 AM  Show Profile
If you create an icon of the right size and call it "/favicon.ico", some browsers will use it as an icon for the page instead of the default bookmarks/favorites icon, and/or on the tabs (if you have a modern browser ) and/or in the URL bar.

Stephen Turner
ClickTracks http://www.clicktracks.com/
Winner: ClickZ's Best Web Analytics Tool 2003 & 2004
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Darren
Tomato Guru

USA
105 Posts

Posted - Dec 31 2003 :  10:40:03 AM  Show Profile
Oh - I see what you're talking about now. An icon for the webpage that appears in the Address bar and when you save it to favorites. Cool idea. We should do that. I'll look into it. I'll just have to research exactly how to enable this feature; where to put the file, what has to change in the html, etc.
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Darren
Tomato Guru

USA
105 Posts

Posted - Dec 31 2003 :  10:40:50 AM  Show Profile
BTW Stephen, do you like you're new title? :)
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Stephen
Tomato Guru

United Kingdom
781 Posts

Posted - Dec 31 2003 :  10:43:12 AM  Show Profile
A 47-second reply! Yes, thank you, I was just commenting on it in another thread.

Stephen Turner
ClickTracks http://www.clicktracks.com/
Winner: ClickZ's Best Web Analytics Tool 2003 & 2004
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Cezariusz
Tomato Guru

Poland
244 Posts

Posted - Jan 01 2004 :  07:18:56 AM  Show Profile
How to Create a "Favicon.ico" File:
1. Create an image 16X16 pixels in size. If you like, you can also create a 32X32 pixel icon, which will be scaled to size for the Favorites menu and the location bar, put both 16X16 and 32X32 pixel icons into the same icon file. Windows will use the former for its menus and the latter when the user opens up a folder that is set to display large icons.
2. Save the image as an ICO file (named "favicon.ico", of course).
3. Put it in the root directory of the web site (browser will try to load http://www.wholetomato.com/favicon.ico by default).

The best thing you don't have to change anything in web server configuration or any html pages.
IE tends to forget the favicon, but FireBird handles it much better, displaying the icon in the address bar, on tabs, in bookmarks menu and bookmarks toolbar.

Cezariusz Marek
https://midicat.net/
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Stephen
Tomato Guru

United Kingdom
781 Posts

Posted - Jan 01 2004 :  10:11:03 AM  Show Profile
I've got:

<LINK REL="SHORTCUT ICON" HREF="favicon.ico">

in some files. I don't remember why though. Is it just because the icon is in this directory, not the root of the web server? Or does it make it show up in the URL bar, not just when bookmarking? Or something else? I'm not sure.

Stephen Turner
ClickTracks http://www.clicktracks.com/
Winner: ClickZ's Best Web Analytics Tool 2003 & 2004
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Cezariusz
Tomato Guru

Poland
244 Posts

Posted - Jan 02 2004 :  04:33:35 AM  Show Profile
You're right Stephen, you can use "SHORTCUT ICON" when the favicon is not in the default (root) directory, or hasn't got the default name or you want different icon for the particular page.

Cezariusz Marek
https://midicat.net/
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LarryLeonard
Tomato Guru

USA
1041 Posts

Posted - Jan 05 2004 :  09:15:54 AM  Show Profile
On this subject, you might be interested in this don't use this:

http://www.codeproject.com/tools/faviconizer.asp

No, I didn't write it, but it seems to work pretty well...


Several days later... Yikes - don't use that program - I just figured out that it marks the websites it visits as "Always Block" for cookies! What a pile of cr.... Sorry about that to anyone who used it.


Edited by - LarryLeonard on Jan 15 2004 12:32:19 PM
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support
Whole Tomato Software

5566 Posts

Posted - Jan 15 2004 :  09:35:55 AM  Show Profile
Can someone see what we're doing wrong? We added a 4-bit ico to our root directory.
http://www.wholetomato.com/favicon.ico

We added these lines to our home page (taken straight from codeproject's home page):
<link rel="icon" href="/favicon.ico" type="image/ico">
<link rel="SHORTCUT ICON" href="/favicon.ico">

The icon does not appear in our browsers. Either we've goofed or the browsers are fickle.

Whole Tomato Software, Inc.
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LarryLeonard
Tomato Guru

USA
1041 Posts

Posted - Jan 15 2004 :  10:19:08 AM  Show Profile
When I add it as a new Favorite in IE6, it works for me.

Ya gotta get rid of that green background, though...
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WannabeeDeveloper
Tomato Guru

Germany
775 Posts

Posted - Jan 15 2004 :  10:23:13 AM  Show Profile
Same here, added as bookmark it shows with Icon in the "Fvourites"-Menu.
But it should also show the Icon on the top left of IE6 and (I think) next to the Addressline
(like [*] http://... , where [*] is the Icon).

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LarryLeonard
Tomato Guru

USA
1041 Posts

Posted - Jan 15 2004 :  10:40:15 AM  Show Profile
It correctly appears on the address line for me in IE6...

But is it really suppossed to show the icon on the top left of IE6?? I've never seen a site that does that...
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WannabeeDeveloper
Tomato Guru

Germany
775 Posts

Posted - Jan 15 2004 :  11:38:12 AM  Show Profile
Ah, could be my fault, I guess you're right, Larry...

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support
Whole Tomato Software

5566 Posts

Posted - Jan 15 2004 :  11:41:23 AM  Show Profile
We changed the green background to white.

From what we can tell now, the icon appears correctly in IE6 when our home page is in Favorites.

Whole Tomato Software, Inc.
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Stephen
Tomato Guru

United Kingdom
781 Posts

Posted - Jan 15 2004 :  12:35:22 PM  Show Profile
Isn't it possible to make the background transparent? The white background is ugly in my browser against a dark grey tab.

Stephen Turner
ClickTracks http://www.clicktracks.com/
Winner: ClickZ's Best Web Analytics Tool 2003 & 2004
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LarryLeonard
Tomato Guru

USA
1041 Posts

Posted - Jan 15 2004 :  12:54:57 PM  Show Profile
Ditto.
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support
Whole Tomato Software

5566 Posts

Posted - Jan 15 2004 :  5:37:57 PM  Show Profile
Isn't transparency only a GIF thing? Our graphics app of choice complains "transparency is not supported" when trying to save as a Window icon.

Other favicons we find have color in all 16x16 pixels. See google and codeproject.

Maybe a square tomato?

Whole Tomato Software, Inc.
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LarryLeonard
Tomato Guru

USA
1041 Posts

Posted - Jan 15 2004 :  5:42:43 PM  Show Profile


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