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John_H_Bergman
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support
Whole Tomato Software
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 Posted - Feb 09 2004 : 5:05:09 PM
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What exactly do you consider to be the neat "auto-complete and autotext" features of Whidbey?
The section on "Expansion" discusses the equivalent of our Code Templates. We like what we see in Whidbey. Our code templates have always been primitive. |
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Uniwares
Tomato Guru
Portugal
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Posted - Feb 09 2004 : 6:05:01 PM
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Well, the "Refactor..." menu is cool. And it has many features requested already for VA.
Also nice is that it has some sense of context, as the sample of the exceptions tried to suggest (if that works?).
The Formatting options are also something still missing in VA.
Change tracking would be really nice (maybe even with diff to checked in version)
The "enhanced data tips" are probably out of the scope of VA anyway 
That should be enough for a start... 
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support
Whole Tomato Software
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Posted - Feb 09 2004 : 7:54:25 PM
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Our selection of features to implement is fairly large. We normally avoid implementing those in a coming version of a Microsoft IDE, no matter how great they are.
Whether or not Microsoft chooses to implement features in VA is a different matter. |
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Uniwares
Tomato Guru
Portugal
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Posted - Feb 09 2004 : 7:59:10 PM
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Unfortunately Microsoft does not implement those cool things in VS6 
And it will be still looooong time until this IDE is dead. |
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support
Whole Tomato Software
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Posted - Feb 09 2004 : 9:59:48 PM
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| No doubt VC 6 will be around for a long time. We will continue to add features to VA X that provide value in all IDEs. |
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LarryLeonard
Tomato Guru
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Posted - Feb 10 2004 : 09:59:12 AM
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No doubt VC 6 will be around for a long time.
I feel instinctively that this is true, but why exactly do you think that is? We all moved briskly from (if memory serves correctly) VC 1.0, to 1.52, to 2.0, to 2.1, to 2.2, to 4.0, to 5.0, and then to 6.0. But now there's a lot of resistance against moving to the .NET IDE (I include myself here).
Is it just that the user-interface for the .NET IDE is such a disaster? Or are there other reasons? Just curious for your insight into this...
Personally I hope VS6 stays around forever...
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kschaab
Tomato Guru
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Posted - Feb 10 2004 : 10:56:32 AM
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My personal opinion on this is based on my reaction when they moved VC to the vegas shell (.NET IDE). Why didn't Microsoft choose the VC IDE when they moved forward, and why did they give me less features from VC6 IDE to the .NET IDE? I sort of took it personally when I saw my beloved programming language moved into an editor designed for Visual Basic and web development! Not to defend the decision, but I'm beginning to appreciate the extensiblity of the IDE and I see where it can go. I also appreciate the ability to have one editor for all types of source.
I also remember moving from VC 4.2 to VC 5 was disgusting to me. Maybe MS was planning on moving me to the new IDE and VC 5 & 6 was the nicorette for this transition. Personally I think the IDE has always had lots of features missing (how code formatting when printing has escaped the IDE developers cycle after cycle amazes me, I mean Turbo C had this feature before I knew what a hard drive could do for me), but I find myself using other tools far less (thanks to VA of course)!
Visual Assist is the sanity to using the VC IDE for me. Otherwise I wouldn't even bother with the IDE. I hope that the new IDE brings Microsoft closer to producing all the features that they sorely need. |
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Uniwares
Tomato Guru
Portugal
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Posted - Feb 10 2004 : 12:44:47 PM
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Larry: the move from 4->5->6 was not as hard as moving to VS.net. The interface was changing but not so much that you had to re-learn everything. And, yes, the changes in the interface of VS.net ARE a disaster; at least for all C++ developers using C++ since many years. Besides of the incompatibility of the projects  But for newcomers it is definitely easier to use.
kschaab: you are not serious when you talk about "printing source code"? I havent printed source code since about 10 years ago (nor has anyone I know). Except for school projects I dont think that printed sources have any value at all. What I do with half million lines of C++ on paper??? |
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gstelmack
Ketchup Master
USA
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Posted - Feb 11 2004 : 09:19:14 AM
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Uniwares
Tomato Guru
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Posted - Feb 11 2004 : 09:44:25 AM
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Originally posted by gstelmack
Printed source is good for code reviews...
 Printed source is good for proof-reading or entertainment during long metro trips. Anyway there are a few really good tools available to print source code. |
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John_H_Bergman
Tomato Guru
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Posted - Feb 11 2004 : 11:51:55 AM
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Originally posted by support
What exactly do you consider to be the neat "auto-complete and autotext" features of Whidbey?
The section on "Expansion" discusses the equivalent of our Code Templates. We like what we see in Whidbey. Our code templates have always been primitive.
That is what I was talking about... the expansion (sorry, auto-complete could be taken in different contexts). |
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