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Erik Olofsson
Tomato Guru
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 Posted - Apr 02 2004 : 12:39:35 AM
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Toggle between two files with CTRL+Tab.
Whatch devenv.exe memory usage increase.
Does not happen with VA plugin disabled. |
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kschaab
Tomato Guru
USA
118 Posts |
Posted - Apr 02 2004 : 3:56:54 PM
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| Actually I was up to 133MB in devenv without knowing it and then disabled VAX and devenv mem usage went down to 11MB. Ouch. |
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LarryLeonard
Tomato Guru
USA
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Posted - Apr 02 2004 : 4:05:40 PM
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Yeah, I'm noticed the leak, but I just assumed it was the IDE.
I'm up to 102 Meg, and when I disable VAX... hey, where'd my source code window go? Now the IDE's toolbar won't paint. Time to reboot...
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Uniwares
Tomato Guru
Portugal
2321 Posts |
Posted - Apr 02 2004 : 5:34:46 PM
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| I see the same in VC6, although not that large. Every time I switch windows, VM increases by about 200-300 Kb. |
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LarryLeonard
Tomato Guru
USA
1041 Posts |
Posted - Apr 04 2004 : 09:12:29 AM
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Every time I switch windows, VM increases by about 200-300 Kb.
I see the same thing in .NET 2003; my neighbor, who (foolishly!) has not installed any version of VA, does not see this effect...
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support
Whole Tomato Software
5566 Posts |
Posted - Apr 29 2004 : 1:15:15 PM
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We can reproduce this problem in build 1233 and will look for a fix.
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Uniwares
Tomato Guru
Portugal
2321 Posts |
Posted - Apr 29 2004 : 1:19:18 PM
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Originally posted by support
ixBug=3
Maybe if you set ixBug to NULL in your code the memory leak is gone?  |
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LarryLeonard
Tomato Guru
USA
1041 Posts |
Posted - Apr 29 2004 : 1:23:47 PM
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Like my Mom said, "Why do they put all those bugs in there in the first place?"
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Uniwares
Tomato Guru
Portugal
2321 Posts |
Posted - Apr 29 2004 : 2:21:57 PM
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support
Whole Tomato Software
5566 Posts |
Posted - Apr 29 2004 : 6:55:58 PM
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You guys are funny. 
FWIW. We are fiddling with a new bug tracking app. The ixBug numbers are internal. For now, they help us tie forum threads to internal bugs. If you don't see ixBug in our posts after a while, you know we went on to fiddling with a different app, or none at all.
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Uniwares
Tomato Guru
Portugal
2321 Posts |
Posted - Apr 29 2004 : 7:45:40 PM
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| Ever tried Seapine? I mean not the aftershave, the bug tracking software from Seapine called TestTrack. Pretty nice, quickly set up, affordable, a userinterface which seems to be designed from/for developers. Personally I like it. |
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LarryLeonard
Tomato Guru
USA
1041 Posts |
Posted - Apr 29 2004 : 7:59:42 PM
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That's funny, I'm currently trying to get us to use FogBUGZ here. Looks good from the sales brochure...
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willdean
Tomato Guru
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Posted - Apr 30 2004 : 04:27:53 AM
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"and will look for a fix"
I think your marketing department should stop you saying things like that in public - it doesn't sound very good at all. Try sounding a bit more positive! :-)
BTW, we use FogBUGZ here. Seems pretty good (despite the stupid name and Joel Spolsky's all-crushing ego) and you get the source, so you can customise it if you feel inclined. We also use CPPUnit and Coverage Validator, but now I'm probably just sounding bitchy.
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Uniwares
Tomato Guru
Portugal
2321 Posts |
Posted - Apr 30 2004 : 09:15:49 AM
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I have a general dislike for "web applications" that try to what is the domain of a normal, integrated application.
But the * validator series from Software Verify is a very nice alternative to Numega and Rational. (Maybe WT should open a new forum for product tips?) |
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Stephen
Tomato Guru
United Kingdom
781 Posts |
Posted - Apr 30 2004 : 09:52:14 AM
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I've actually been meaning to suggest something like that when things calmed down.
I was thinking there could be a forum for general discussion for VS users — Which Source Control do you use? Do you have trouble getting your toolbars to stay where you put them? — anything which is not about VA, but which VA users might be interested in.
I guess it depends whether WT think it would be an advantage or a liability to host such a discussion. |
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Uniwares
Tomato Guru
Portugal
2321 Posts |
Posted - Apr 30 2004 : 11:41:45 AM
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Originally posted by Stephen
I guess it depends whether WT think it would be an advantage or a liability to host such a discussion.
A bit of both
Another good place for these discussions are of course www.codeproject.com and the forums there. |
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LarryLeonard
Tomato Guru
USA
1041 Posts |
Posted - Apr 30 2004 : 12:17:20 PM
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Also, the "Joel on Software" forums: http://discuss.fogcreek.com/joelonsoftware (I keep hearing about his big ego - I guess I don't notice it because he's almost always spot on, IMHO.)
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support
Whole Tomato Software
5566 Posts |
Posted - Apr 30 2004 : 12:41:52 PM
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We do like codeproject. Their only problem on this issue might be size of audience. It's probably easier to discern quality of response from a group of ten. That said...
We are fiddling with FogBugz. After reviewing ten apps, we felt FogBugz was the most developer-friendly. Most others have too much fluff. We will know more later. |
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support
Whole Tomato Software
5566 Posts |
Posted - May 03 2004 : 1:24:11 PM
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As for increase in virtual memory when Ctrl+Tabbing....
Behavior is by design. VA X keeps a history and some cached data, eg parsed and colored versions of the display, for every open window. When you Ctrl+Tab, VA X rebuilds missing data for each new window. VA X does not free immediately its data from the last window(s) -- VA X does the freeing after ten seconds of idle time.
Ctrl+Tab through a bunch of windows and you notice VM goes up. (You need to make sure the window has a chance to display.) Stop Ctrl+Tabbing for ten seconds and you notice VM drops -- that's when VA X did its cleaning.
VA X still keeps some data for every open window, eg a history. This is why VM does not drop completely. If you close all windows, you notice VM drops nearer the value the IDE took when it first started.
One could argue VA X takes too much VM, but you don't want us to run slowly either. We deal with the VM vs speed issue constantly.
FWIW, our debug builds tell us when we exit without freeing all memory. This helps keep us honest.
http://www.wholetomato.com/support/faq.html#memory |
Whole Tomato Software, Inc. |
Edited by - support on May 03 2004 1:34:03 PM |
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