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support
Whole Tomato Software
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 Posted - May 08 2004 : 1:25:05 PM
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http://www.wholetomato.com/downloads/VA_X_Setup1235.exe
Fixes are described at:
http://www.wholetomato.com/support/history1235.html
Among other changes, build 1235 includes a few new templates for C# users. If you use C#, overwrite your existing template files during install or look in Templates\\Latest\\cs.tpl to see what's new.
VS.NET users do not need to reset toolbars during install to get the fixes in this build. Last build requiring reset is 1214.
Modifed to bump build number from 1234 to 1235 -- we forgot to include a few, minor changes. |
Whole Tomato Software, Inc. |
Edited by - support on May 17 2004 6:36:10 PM |
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Uniwares
Tomato Guru
Portugal
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Posted - May 08 2004 : 9:40:37 PM
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| Whats the point in needing to restart after installing this build? Something really changed or just a new "feature" of the installer? I suppose the new C# templates wont require a restart. |
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Whole Tomato Software
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Posted - May 09 2004 : 01:10:01 AM
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| What makes you believe a restart is needed? And we assume you mean, restart of the IDE. |
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Uniwares
Tomato Guru
Portugal
2322 Posts |
Posted - May 09 2004 : 10:59:21 AM
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| No, the installer tells me that I have (had) to restart (to be precise: reboot). |
Edited by - Uniwares on May 09 2004 10:59:53 AM |
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LarryLeonard
Tomato Guru
USA
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Posted - May 09 2004 : 12:03:23 PM
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Hmmm... didn't ask me to reboot...
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Uniwares
Tomato Guru
Portugal
2322 Posts |
Posted - May 09 2004 : 12:53:48 PM
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| It's the first time ever that I saw that from the VAX installer. Running now with XP SP2 since a few VAX builds, so I suppose it has nothing to do with that either. |
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support
Whole Tomato Software
5566 Posts |
Posted - May 09 2004 : 9:02:24 PM
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This usually happens if you install before a closed instance actually has a chance to unload all the VAX dll's. If the installer is unable to update a dll, it puts a flag in the registry to replace it on next start-up.
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Uniwares
Tomato Guru
Portugal
2322 Posts |
Posted - May 09 2004 : 10:33:43 PM
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| Hmmm, that may be. I closed VS.NET just before launching the setup... |
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SvenC
Tomato Guru
Germany
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Posted - May 10 2004 : 01:53:45 AM
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| Maybe the part of the setup which does the check if VS6 or VS.NET is still running should be replaced from looking for a window title "Microsoft Visual Studio" to looking for a process name: msdev.exe or devenv.exe? |
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Uniwares
Tomato Guru
Portugal
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Posted - May 10 2004 : 10:44:42 AM
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| SvenC, while this might be a good idea (doh, ever wrote a installer script?) it is not the culprit in this case. The app window might be already gone, also the process, yet the DLL is not unloaded from memory. It might happen that Windows keeps the DLL "loaded" for a short time, until it has time to "unload" it. |
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ether
Tomato Guru
USA
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Posted - May 10 2004 : 12:31:03 PM
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| Actually, DLLs are unloaded first, before the application is unloaded. SvenC's idea may be the solution to the problem. |
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Uniwares
Tomato Guru
Portugal
2322 Posts |
Posted - May 10 2004 : 12:50:57 PM
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http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnesscom/html/serverlifetime.asp
Quote from it:COM will then wait an unspecified period of time before it will free these idle server DLLs to ensure that no residual Release calls are still being executed.16 This means that in multithreaded environments, it may take considerably longer for a DLL to unload from its client than is expected. |
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ether
Tomato Guru
USA
130 Posts |
Posted - May 10 2004 : 2:51:09 PM
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| I keep forgetting that these plugins use COM. |
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SvenC
Tomato Guru
Germany
339 Posts |
Posted - May 11 2004 : 03:43:19 AM
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The MSDN quote doesn't say anything to the dll lifetime in relation to process lifetime. I'm pretty sure that there is no way that a dll will be loaded for a process after that process has exited. The dll is loaded at some memory address which is only relevant to that process memory space. Unloading a process will free all memory which was bound to that process so I strongly assume that there is no place a dll could "live" after a process finished. There actually has to be at least one thread which could execute any functionality that could implement the quoted lifetime issues of COM objects. And without a process there is no thread.
The only problem to my solution is that you have no control after the check for loaded process names that a relevant process is started which than loads and locks the dll again. But I think that it is a bit unlikely to start VS.Net just inbetween of a VAX setup. |
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Uniwares
Tomato Guru
Portugal
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Posted - May 11 2004 : 10:57:23 AM
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SvenC, you are totally right - in regards to normal DLLs. But unfortunately, these COM modules are a bit different from normal DLLs, in any way. They shouldnt be named DLLs at all.
Give it a try yourself and you'll see that their lifetime is solely depending on the OS. |
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SvenC
Tomato Guru
Germany
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Posted - May 11 2004 : 11:55:44 AM
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Hmm - How should I try that?
When CoCreateInstance(Ex) is called for an inproc COM server it will call LoadLibraryEx, GetProcAddress("DllGetClassObject") and start using the class factory. How could COM be different anyhow than load the dll and start by calling an exported function? All you can do is implement DllCanUnloadNow to keep the dll loaded as long as it can be - but that will not be longer than the processes life time.
The only place I see is MTS, COM+ or Enterprise Services - that is mtx.exe or dllhost.exe to execute COM inproc servers (dlls) outside of the client process. Than of course mtx.exe or dllhost.exe take hold of the dll and its lifetime. But a COM dll loaded inproc is loaded into the process memory space. Where should that dll be hold after the process is gone? Can you give me some details how that should work and how I could test it? |
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Uniwares
Tomato Guru
Portugal
2322 Posts |
Posted - May 11 2004 : 3:57:49 PM
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We should continue this thread by mail or IM. Its getting kinda long here  |
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Cezariusz
Tomato Guru
Poland
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Posted - May 12 2004 : 03:53:59 AM
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We should continue this thread by mail or IM. Its getting kinda long here
But it's very interesting, please come back here, or open a new topic. |
Cezariusz Marek
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SvenC
Tomato Guru
Germany
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Posted - May 12 2004 : 05:28:14 AM
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| Done: created a new topic "COM dll life time issues" |
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