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Shai-Hulud
Senior Member
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 Posted - Oct 11 2004 : 05:37:22 AM
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Hi,
I've just installed Build 1274 and found out that Completion ListBoxes (I prefer having the VAX ones rather than the VS.NET ones) will only accept the selection when pressing either Tab or Return. I prefer hitting the dot '.' on a selection and continue browsing through members.
The current build forces me to hit Tab/Return to accept the selection.
Intention? I hope not :)
Regards
Kai |
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Stephen
Tomato Guru
United Kingdom
781 Posts |
Posted - Oct 11 2004 : 06:04:07 AM
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| This can be changed in the options. |
Stephen Turner
ClickTracks http://www.clicktracks.com/
Winner: ClickZ's Best Web Analytics Tool 2003 & 2004
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WannabeeDeveloper
Tomato Guru
Germany
775 Posts |
Posted - Oct 11 2004 : 06:06:24 AM
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To be more exact:
VAX-Options -> Text Editor -> Suggestions -> Display suggestion lists and accept with -> Any character not valid in a symbol.
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Shai-Hulud
Senior Member
41 Posts |
Posted - Oct 11 2004 : 10:09:57 AM
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Sorry, I didn't make myself clear. I do have all of the three options activated, so it should accept selections using either
Tab
Return
Any other character like '.','(' etc.
This used to work like a charm in previous releases.
It only fails for VAX Completion ListBoxes but works fine for Suggestion ListBoxes |
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WannabeeDeveloper
Tomato Guru
Germany
775 Posts |
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Kaegun
New Member
3 Posts |
Posted - Oct 11 2004 : 1:40:17 PM
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| Hi, I get the same error in build 1272 when using ( to force completion. |
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Racey
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - Oct 11 2004 : 5:17:33 PM
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| I was having this problem over the weekend on my home machine using the TAB key. It occured most often with the box containing "?" in front of the symbol I was trying to complete. It didn't occur all the time, but it did occur frequently. |
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Shai-Hulud
Senior Member
41 Posts |
Posted - Oct 12 2004 : 01:28:50 AM
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Ok, some news on this issue:
Later yesterday I have created a fresh Solution/Project in VS.NET just to find out that accepting a Completion using either symbol character just worked fine.
So I opened my other solution and found out that it still does not work. Maybe it has anything to do with the transition from 1246 to 1272 to 1274 that my old solution went through whereas the new solution was created with 1274.
May the size of the solution/project be an issue?
BTW: My colleague has the very same problems with that "old" solution
The Completion ListBox is a VAX one showing IntelliSense completion entries, i.e. no question mark etc.
If there's anything I can provide (log, trace etc.) let me know
Kai |
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support
Whole Tomato Software
5566 Posts |
Posted - Oct 12 2004 : 1:04:06 PM
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| Problem appears to occur with member listboxes, i.e. after -> or dot. Problem does not occur after Ctrl+Space. |
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Shai-Hulud
Senior Member
41 Posts |
Posted - Oct 13 2004 : 01:55:04 AM
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Originally posted by support
Problem appears to occur with member listboxes, i.e. after -> or dot. Problem does not occur after Ctrl+Space.
Does this mean it is a "case" and will be fixed in a future release?
TIA
Kai |
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Valyk
Senior Member
Canada
26 Posts |
Posted - Oct 13 2004 : 09:32:15 AM
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Is the "Auto List Members" checkbox is checked in the "Tools -> Options -> Text Editor -> C/C++ -> General" option pane?
At first, I unchecked it and I didn't had members suggestion listbox when pressing "." or "->", but the surrounding bits of codes suggestion listbox.
After I checked it, I now have the member suggestion listbox (the VAX one) everytime I type "." or "->".
The display suggestion list with any character not valid in a symbol option does not need to be checked. |
Edited by - Valyk on Oct 13 2004 09:43:10 AM |
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Shai-Hulud
Senior Member
41 Posts |
Posted - Oct 18 2004 : 06:39:14 AM
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Sorry, I don't want to be nagging, but was Support able to reproduce this problem and will there be a fix sometime (soon :))?
For me it isn't clear from the previous Support response.
It is rather annoying and wasn't there with 1246 but I simply do not want to go back to 1246 as the 10.1 version(s) offers some nifty new features I would lose when I revert back.
TIA
Kai |
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feline
Whole Tomato Software
United Kingdom
19014 Posts |
Posted - Oct 18 2004 : 6:12:21 PM
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its a fair question Shai-Hulud 
using the latest public beta, 1276, i am unable to reproduce this problem, so hopefully it has been fixed. that, or i am using the wrong test *shrug*. i would suggest having a go with 1276 and letting us know what you find. |
zen is the art of being at one with the two'ness |
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Shai-Hulud
Senior Member
41 Posts |
Posted - Oct 19 2004 : 02:01:44 AM
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feline,
I have just downloaded and installed 1276. Unfortunately it does not solve my problem.
Say you have a snippet of code and you want to enter
Console.WriteLine
When I start typing "Con" and hit the dot '.' I get "Console.", now I hit 'w' and WriteLine is being selected. I hit dot again and the result is "Console.w.".
Even worse, when I start typing "con" (note the lower case 'c') and hit the dot '.' (maybe you have to select Console on the list manually) I end up having "con." in the editor.
Maybe this helps
Regards
Kai |
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Old as dirt
Tomato Guru
USA
246 Posts |
Posted - Oct 19 2004 : 11:55:57 AM
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| I may be guilty of piling on here, but since I installed 1274 I get all these boxes with big question marks to the left of the suggestions and I used to never get them. I have to press tab or return to accept anything from them. Before I only got boxes with the tomato and any ending character would accept the highlighted word. Is this an option I have inadvertantly chosen or is the the same bug Shai-Hulud is describing? |
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Stephen
Tomato Guru
United Kingdom
781 Posts |
Posted - Oct 19 2004 : 12:23:08 PM
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The question marks are the same as the old "questionable tomatoes" as Uniwares once dubbed them.
You can change which characters accept suggestions in the options. |
Stephen Turner
ClickTracks http://www.clicktracks.com/
Winner: ClickZ's Best Web Analytics Tool 2003 & 2004
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Shai-Hulud
Senior Member
41 Posts |
Posted - Oct 20 2004 : 01:50:32 AM
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| This might be of interest to support: I have just installed 1277 and even though the change log does not explicitly state it, it looks like the problem's gone. My colleagues and I will do some further testing but for now it looks fine. |
Edited by - Shai-Hulud on Oct 20 2004 01:51:27 AM |
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Shai-Hulud
Senior Member
41 Posts |
Posted - Oct 20 2004 : 02:56:55 AM
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So, we did some further testing. The problem still exists. One thing we were able to always reproduce was the following:
static void Test()
{
SqlCommand cmd = null;
}
Now, when you do a "cmd." (for us) it will select Parameters. Hit dot '.' or bracket '(' and it will expand. However when you move up using the cursor to, say, InitializeLifetimeService and hit dot '.' it will not complete. It will only accept the selection if TAB/Return are hit.
On the other hand at random times I do get the same false behavior when I want to accept the default selection on a completion listbox but I haven't found a way to reproduce this, yet.
Hope this helps
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feline
Whole Tomato Software
United Kingdom
19014 Posts |
Posted - Oct 21 2004 : 4:01:26 PM
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Shai-Hulud, are you using managed C++ or C#?
having entered your test function, VAX doesnt recognise "SqlCommand". according to MSDN this is a .NET class. also, what IDE are you using? |
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Shai-Hulud
Senior Member
41 Posts |
Posted - Oct 21 2004 : 4:55:49 PM
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Sorry for not being clear enough again :)
Yes, I'm using C# in VS.NET 2003
Regards
Kai |
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feline
Whole Tomato Software
United Kingdom
19014 Posts |
Posted - Oct 22 2004 : 5:35:28 PM
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i have tried this in both the standard C# console application and the standard C# windows application. both are auto generated by .NET 2003
using the code:
static void testFn() {
SqlCommand cmd;
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i cannot get VAX 1277 to give me any suggestions after the dot. hitting ctrl+space simply makes the IDE beep. not only that, i have a red underline on static, as if this was incorrect code 
i am guessing i have to somehow tell the project, and thus VAX about the SqlCommand class. if so, what do i have to do?
remembering another thread about VAX and C# i have opened the "References" item in the solution explorer, and found i can right click and go "add reference". this is a whole new experience, which is something  but i am not seeing any reference to SQL in the the list of .NET things.
as a passing question, why doesn't the IDE want me to indent the two lines inside the function? i thought C# used the same indenting conventions as C++? |
zen is the art of being at one with the two'ness |
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Shai-Hulud
Senior Member
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Posted - Oct 22 2004 : 5:59:54 PM
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Ok, no worries :)
Usually you would not have to add any new references to a C# Project to get SQL Server Client support, but you need to add the following to your C# source:
using System.Data.SqlClient;
This will make the referenced symbols available for the specific classes/namespace. As SqlCommand is defined in this namespace the parser should now be able see it, ie. suggest symbols etc.
Regards
Kai
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feline
Whole Tomato Software
United Kingdom
19014 Posts |
Posted - Oct 22 2004 : 6:15:46 PM
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i am starting to remember why i dislike C# bug reports
i have added this using line, and i still get a beep from the IDE when pressing ctrl_space after the dot. in fact, i am quite often getting this effect. however, i am able to get a suggestion list via ctrl_space some of the time, so i know it isn't totally broken.
speaking as a C++ programmer, this doesn't make any sense. it is as if the editor is enforcing strict rules about what i can type where, and since i don't know these rules most of what i am typing is invalid.
*checks*
if i switch to a C++ project VAX is working, and ctrl_space works as expected. these problems only show up in C#
at this point i am open to suggestions, however since i cannot reproduce this bug i am loath to raise case for it, since i wont be able to tell the developers what to do to make it go wrong. |
zen is the art of being at one with the two'ness |
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Chris Nahr
Ketchup Master
92 Posts |
Posted - Oct 23 2004 : 03:32:06 AM
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You are correct that you need to add an assembly reference in the Solution Explorer for your C# project. The correct assembly reference for data stuff, including the SQL interface, is System.Data. Ctrl+Space should work then.
Edite to add a tip: On the MSDN Library overview page for any given .NET type, scroll down to the "Requirements" section at the bottom of the page. The assembly that you must reference is listed there. |
Edited by - Chris Nahr on Oct 23 2004 04:39:37 AM |
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feline
Whole Tomato Software
United Kingdom
19014 Posts |
Posted - Oct 23 2004 : 3:19:49 PM
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lets start over, since very strange things are going on here.
going back to my standard C# console application, lets compile and run it. i need to comment out a test if statement i had in main, and i have inserted the line:
Console.WriteLine("testing a fn that has sql words in it");
just so it will do something when i run it.
very interesting. now that i have a program that compiles and runs, i am getting VAX suggestions inside the member function Class1::TestSqlCalls()
public void TestSqlCalls()
{
SqlCommand cmd = null;
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welcome to "learn C# with feline", today we are going to try and write the hello world program
it looks as if any invalid code in my cs file breaks VAX's ability to produce suggestions after dots
right, back to the bug report. currently i have accept with any character turned OFF, and i can get this line to turn into:
cmd.Cancel.|
by pressing dot about 95% of the time.
turning on accept with any character appears to make zero difference. as you say, dot will nearly always accept the default suggestion, but as soon as you use the arrow keys dot never accepts a suggestion. finally 
case=396
turning back to C#, your early example was a static function. that makes sense as C++, but i was under the impression all code in C# had to be in classes. are you allowed stand alone functions? i ask since static is given a read underline by VAX. either this is invalid C# syntax, or there is a problem with the spell checker in C#.
*experiments* i cannot get this stand alone function to compile, so i am guessing it isn't valid C# syntax? |
zen is the art of being at one with the two'ness |
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Chris Nahr
Ketchup Master
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Posted - Oct 24 2004 : 03:07:55 AM
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You can have static functions in C# but they, too, have to be class methods. There are no global functions or variables.
(C# 2.0 will allow the static qualifier for classes as well, to indicate that the class is merely a container for static methods.) |
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Shai-Hulud
Senior Member
41 Posts |
Posted - Oct 25 2004 : 03:11:46 AM
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feline,
thanks for taking your time and getting into C# for this :) Looking forward to a new version of VAX that will fix the dot issue.. |
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support
Whole Tomato Software
5566 Posts |
Posted - Oct 25 2004 : 12:43:10 PM
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... invalid code in my cs file breaks VAX's ability to produce [listboxes] after dots.
For C#, VA X enhances the listboxes; VA X does not generate content for listboxes. VA X [full] parses and generates only for C/C++. Hence, at least for now, we blame the parser within the IDE that runs while you edit C# -- it cannot generate content if it finds an error. |
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feline
Whole Tomato Software
United Kingdom
19014 Posts |
Posted - Oct 26 2004 : 08:29:48 AM
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oh the joy of the IDE . well, at least this means you can discover that there is an error in your C# code before you compile it  |
zen is the art of being at one with the two'ness |
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Shai-Hulud
Senior Member
41 Posts |
Posted - Oct 27 2004 : 08:17:23 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by support
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... invalid code in my cs file breaks VAX's ability to produce [listboxes] after dots.
For C#, VA X enhances the listboxes; VA X does not generate content for listboxes. VA X [full] parses and generates only for C/C++. Hence, at least for now, we blame the parser within the IDE that runs while you edit C# -- it cannot generate content if it finds an error.
...but still VAX seems to chew up the dot or any other symbol and will cause (in most cases) the list to only accept selections by using TAB/Return.
[Nagging] Will this be solved in a future release [/Nagging]
Thanks in advance
Kai |
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Shai-Hulud
Senior Member
41 Posts |
Posted - Nov 03 2004 : 01:26:26 AM
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Just as a side note: I did some download file peeking and tried build 1282. This one seems to fix the problem.
Regards
Kai |
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