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swinefeaster
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 Posted - Mar 29 2006 : 4:45:39 PM
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i'm assuming this behaviour is fully implemented by VAX for vc6, but vc8 has its own implementation which is used instead of VAX's, correct?
i noticed that after switching from vc6 to vc8, both with VAX installed, that the quality of this back/forward behaviour has decreased... seomtimes it seems to forget where i was and skip back too far in the history.
is there any way to use the VAX implementation in vc8? maybe an option would do it...?
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support
Whole Tomato Software
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Posted - Mar 29 2006 : 5:29:15 PM
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Try unassigning View.Forward in VS8.
Use Tools|Options|Environment|Keyboard
Tell us if this works. |
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swinefeaster
Tomato Guru
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Posted - Mar 29 2006 : 5:32:00 PM
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| hmmm this won't work, because i use my back/forward mouse buttons, or sometimes the special buttons on the keyboard. |
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support
Whole Tomato Software
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Posted - Mar 29 2006 : 10:33:42 PM
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| We made a mistake. Try unassigning the Alt+Left Arrow for Edit.CompleteWord, not View.Forward. |
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swinefeaster
Tomato Guru
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Posted - Mar 30 2006 : 1:07:27 PM
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| and how is this going to affect the behavior of the back/forward mouse buttons? |
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support
Whole Tomato Software
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Posted - Mar 30 2006 : 4:36:00 PM
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We mistook your original reference to back and forward as our versions of navigation, i.e. Alt+Left Arrow and Alt+Right Arrow.
Like you, we assume the mouse buttons are initiating the MS back and forward commands.
Try the control panel or app that lets your assign commands to your mouse buttons. Tell it to send Alt+Left Arrow for the left button, just for VS 8. |
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swinefeaster
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feline
Whole Tomato Software
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swinefeaster
Tomato Guru
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Posted - Apr 03 2006 : 1:09:46 PM
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ok i don't see how using a PowerToy has got anything to do with this... have you checked with the developers how this is implemented in VAX for vc6? i bet you anything they use WM_XBUTTONDOWN, which has nothing to do with any special mouse binding powertoys, etc....
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ether
Tomato Guru
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Posted - Apr 03 2006 : 2:55:18 PM
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Just out of curiosity, have you tried both VC6 and VC8 without VAX installed to see if maybe the IDE is what has changed? I know that Microsoft likes to change their feature set frequently and it wouldn't surprise me in the least that they are handing WM_XBUTTONDOWN/UP in both apps and changed the behavior from one to the other.
Just a thought. |
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swinefeaster
Tomato Guru
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Posted - Apr 03 2006 : 3:22:43 PM
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ether:
ok i just tried it
in vc6 without VAX the mouse buttons do nothing
in vc8 without VAX the mouse buttons behave the same way as with VAX installed...
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feline
Whole Tomato Software
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Posted - Apr 03 2006 : 5:25:36 PM
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i personally have not checked how this message is handled, since i do not have access to the VA source code. i have enough to do already 
since i do not have a microsoft 5 button mouse i cannot directly test this myself, but it was possible that something other than VA was causing this effect. i do not recall every seeing it mentioned that VA handled extra mouse buttons, so i was not assuming that it did.
it seems that in VC8 the IDE is picking up these buttons its self. does this mean that you can re-map these mouse buttons in the IDE tools -> options -> keyboard dialog? |
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swinefeaster
Tomato Guru
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Posted - Apr 03 2006 : 6:52:00 PM
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| no you cannot remap them in the keyboard page, hence my whining :) |
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feline
Whole Tomato Software
United Kingdom
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Posted - Apr 04 2006 : 4:31:23 PM
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doing this without the ability to run any tests myself is difficult, all i can do is make wild stabs in the dark. i have asked support about this, perhaps they will come up with something.
have you looked into the power toy? my understanding (never having used it) is that it allows you to map these extra mouse buttons to actions inside the IDE, which would seem to be exactly what you are after. however i have no idea if it will work in VS2005. |
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jpizzi
Tomato Guru
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Posted - Apr 05 2006 : 12:46:25 AM
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| I have VS 2005 installed and a MS 5 button mouse. What is the desired behavior? What is the behavior you are seeing? I am having trouble finding this in the thread. |
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swinefeaster
Tomato Guru
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Posted - Apr 05 2006 : 2:50:28 PM
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ok i've quantified it just now:
vc6 (with VAX):
1. open up a multipage file
2. press Ctrl+End
3. press the mouse back button
result: cursor goes back to home position
vc8 (with VAX)
1. open up a multipage file
2. press Ctrl+End
3. press the mouse back button
result: nothing
even invoking the actual VAX NavigateBack button does nothing either.
(I can email a video of this if you want)
Thanks
Matus
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feline
Whole Tomato Software
United Kingdom
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Posted - Apr 05 2006 : 3:49:30 PM
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your comments are interesting. ignoring the mouse totally, and simply looking at VA's navigate forward and backwards toolbar buttons in VC6 they capture up and down movement, but in VS2003 and VS2005 they do not.
check out the last paragraph on this page:
http://www.wholetomato.com/products/features/navigate.html?more=yes
if you do an alt-g jump, or an alt-o and then use the navigate back button on the VA toolbar this works for me in both VC6 and VS2005. what happens with the mouse buttons under these conditions?
after all, if VA does not think there is anywhere to navigate to, the mouse button is never going to work, even if it is detected. |
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swinefeaster
Tomato Guru
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Posted - Apr 05 2006 : 4:55:10 PM
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i see what you are saying, but all i know is that the behaviour is *different* in vc8 from the way it was in vc6 (which worked very well). in vc8, VAX sometimes gets alzheimers.
i have a macro that adds a new include to the current cpp file. it skips to the top of the file. in vc6, i was able to just hit the mouse back button and it would go right back to the part in the code where i was editing, so i could resume what i was doing. in vc8, VAX no longer remembers that part, and when i navigate back, it skips back too far. this is really annoying :(.
in terms of the alt+o (i assume you have that mapped to OFIW?), works fine with the mouse back button in vc8.
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jpizzi
Tomato Guru
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Posted - Apr 06 2006 : 01:22:12 AM
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I'm not sure what to say, here. When I try this in all three versions, I get the forward and back behavior in VS 6 and VS 2003 (but, I also have VSMouseBindings installed, although disabling that doesn't seem to change this behavior), but I do not get the bahavior in VS 2005. Since VS 6 does not have forward and back feature without VA, I rely on VA for that feature. However in VS 2003, I rely on the built-in feature, not VA. I haven't used VS 2005 enough to know how I will depend on this there. I suspect that it will be the built-in.
I see your point, swinefeaster, but since VS 6 doesn't have a native feature at all, I suspect that the IDE change is affecting this, not anything in VA, although I don't have enough insight to know for sure.
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Edited by - jpizzi on Apr 06 2006 01:24:35 AM |
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