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John_H_Bergman
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Posted - Dec 19 2008 :  6:37:00 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
With 1711 there are still hangs during building
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feline
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Posted - Dec 22 2008 :  5:38:59 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Clearly this is no good at all. Can you please go to:

VA Options -> System Info -> Copy Info

and paste the details (from the clipboard) into your reply. This will give us the basic information about your setup.

Which language / languages are you working in?

While you are building are you editing any code?

Do you have any other plugin's installed?

I am not sure why VA should cause a problem during building, unless you are editing files. Are code files that VA might want to parse being generated or updated during the build step?
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John_H_Bergman
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Posted - Dec 26 2008 :  12:52:43 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The only language in the projects included in the Solution is C#.

I am not editting code while building, sometimes I have a window open, sometimes not. Frequently, I get up to get a drink, and when I come back it is frozen.

I am open to suggestions

=-=-=-
Other Plugins:

DaveSexton's DocProject
DevExpress Tools (DXCore I uninstalled Refactor! when the problems started)
VMDebugger (from VMWare 6.5)

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VA_X.dll file version 10.5.1709.0 built 2008.11.26
Licensed to:
VA X: **********************************
DevEnv.exe version 9.0.30729.1
msenv.dll version 9.0.30729.1
Font: Consolas 13(Pixels)
Comctl32.dll version 6.10.6001.18000
Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6001 Service Pack 1
4 processors

Platform: Win32
Stable Includes:
C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0\\VC\\include;
C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0\\VC\\atlmfc\\include;
C:\\Program Files\\Microsoft SDKs\\Windows\\v6.0A\\include;
C:\\Program Files\\Microsoft SDKs\\Windows\\v6.0A\\include;

Other Includes:

Stable Source Directories:
C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0\\VC\\atlmfc\\src\\mfc;
C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0\\VC\\atlmfc\\src\\mfcm;
C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0\\VC\\atlmfc\\src\\atl;
C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0\\VC\\crt\\src;



[edited by sean to remove email address]
Edited by - sean on Dec 26 2008 8:50:06 PM
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John_H_Bergman
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Posted - Dec 26 2008 :  12:58:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
One more idea... I have WPF projects, During the build, the XAML is coverted to a cs file, is it possible that this is what triggers VAX? I believe the file is {name}.g.cs...
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John_H_Bergman
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Posted - Dec 26 2008 :  5:13:45 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
More Info... I have seen the lockup twice since reinstalling build 1711... both times it was on projects that have WPF XAML files in them (2 different projects).
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sean
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Posted - Dec 26 2008 :  8:49:05 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Do you have "Watch for externally modified files..." enabled in the VA Options dialog (on the Performance page)?

If so, does disabling it have any effect on the problem?

Does it occur every time you build or is it intermittent?

If intermittent, any chance that it occurs only when certain files have been edited?
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John_H_Bergman
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Posted - Dec 27 2008 :  3:48:36 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It's intermittent. I'll try the setting change and let you know.
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John_H_Bergman
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Posted - Dec 30 2008 :  12:14:01 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Unchecked or Checked, that option makes no difference. The intermittent Hang still occurs.
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sean
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Posted - Dec 31 2008 :  01:14:50 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The next time this happens (if you still have it installed), can you please attach to the IDE with a separate debugger instance and save a minidump after pausing the process?
You can send it in using this form:
http://www.wholetomato.com/support/contact.asp

Please reference topic_id=8410 in the subject or body.
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John_H_Bergman
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Posted - Dec 31 2008 :  12:31:08 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bad Luck. I attached and could not break the process... so what ever it is, it is hung hard.
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feline
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Posted - Jan 02 2009 :  8:24:10 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If you run Process Explorer:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx

and then select Properties on the IDE, the "Threads" tab lists a call stack for the process. This might offer some clues. Not as useful as a mini dump, but we have to work with whats available.

Is this hang predictable enough for you to be able to turn on logging and generate VA log files of the problem?

Please see this FAQ for details of turning on VA's logging, and sending us the log files

http://docs.wholetomato.com?W305
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John_H_Bergman
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Posted - Jan 06 2009 :  2:54:54 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I got a minidump!
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John_H_Bergman
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Posted - Jan 06 2009 :  3:15:06 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Uploaded, I think. At the end, I received this message:


File not Found
The file you requested cannot be found on our site.

Try browsing one of the following links:

Home
Features
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kevinsikes
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Posted - Jan 06 2009 :  7:23:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi John,

Sorry for the spurious file not found message. We did receive file Topic8410_Minidump.rar, which extracts properly to a 1.4GB devenv.dmp file. Thanks for providing this information to help us debug this issue.
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sean
Whole Tomato Software

USA
2817 Posts
Posted - Jan 07 2009 :  01:06:35 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for taking the time to upload the huge dmp. I've never received a 64 bit dump before and will need to figure what I can do with it. In the meantime, several people are reporting hangs during WPF development in vs2008 once SP1 has been installed:

https://connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio/feedback/ViewFeedback.aspx?FeedbackID=362619

A couple of workarounds (that don't solve everyone's problems) are posted here:
https://connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio/feedback/Workaround.aspx?FeedbackID=362619

Do any of the workarounds apply to your situation?
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sean
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Posted - Jan 07 2009 :  9:30:23 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Shifting this to email. case=22557
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