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feline
Whole Tomato Software
United Kingdom
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 Posted - Jun 17 2004 : 11:38:59 AM
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following on from 2482 it seems that various people are getting confused about what VAX is doing. i know i am 
from my own observations using VAX 1239 and VS .NET 2003 VAX seems to have three states:
1. you have just loaded the IDE, a full parse is being done, VAX isn't going to help you until it has finished doing this.
2. VAX is fully caught up, knows what is going on, and works wonderfully.
3. VAX knows some things, but not others. as a result, you cannot predict how VAX is going to react. starting a post to this forum about this seems to fix VAX *um* also reparsing the current file doesn't tend to fix this. only time will fix this.
first up, support, can you relate these 3 states to real internal states? states 1 and 2 seem fairly clear, but can you detect state 3?
assuming you can detect all 3 states, i really want some visual feedback to tell me which state VAX is in. so long as i know that simply stopping and thinking about my code will get VAX out of nasty state 3 and into nice state 2 then i can sit and think, or work without VAX if i am on a role.
we already know from support that writing this info to the status bar isn't very reliable, since VAX doesn't have complete control over this part of the screen.
so, what parts of the screen does VAX have control over?
A. its menu
B. its toolbar and the buttons
C. the wizard bar
D. VA View
putting the state info into the menu isn't going to work 
also, any form of popup dialog is going to drive most of us nuts.
VA View isn't an ideal answer, since not everyone has this visible all the time.
so, what about the toolbar and the wizard bar?
a toolbar icon can have two states, enabled and disabled. is it possible to give it three different states / icons?
what about a toolbar icon called "status", which the user has to add. this shows either:
* a red tomato icon - VAX is totally busy
* a yellow tomato icon - VAX is sort of with you, but not fully
* a green tomato icon - VAX is fully up to date
small, simple, not getting in the way, and tells us how we can expect VAX to respond.
if you cannot do this on the toolbar, then how about putting this on the wizard bar next to the GO button. VAX already updates the wizard bar when ever it feels the need, and there aren't any signs of conflicts with the IDE.
so, what do people think of this? |
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LarryLeonard
Tomato Guru
USA
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Posted - Jun 17 2004 : 12:39:58 PM
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Sounds great to me. I would only add, why does state 3 take so long (two or three minutes) to clear?
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support
Whole Tomato Software
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Posted - Jun 17 2004 : 11:27:14 PM
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| We are still trying to reproduce or understand state 3. Since a reparse does not fix the problem, it sounds some thread waiting on some resource. What do you do to get it into that state? In this state, is the cpu busy or idle? Does it happen only in particular files? Is it only within particular methods in the file? |
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feline
Whole Tomato Software
United Kingdom
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Posted - Jun 18 2004 : 07:22:51 AM
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ah, and here i was assuming you knew what was going on  . i will try and pin down some details next time i encounter this. |
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tom_seddon
Tomato Guru
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Posted - Jun 18 2004 : 1:37:09 PM
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the 'ready' state should be red, surely? As far as I'm aware, green tomatos are not yet ready to eat, and I shudder to think what might be wrong with a yellow tomato...
(but I'm not a conneisseur of tomatos -- don't let the ketchup mastery fool you.) |
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feline
Whole Tomato Software
United Kingdom
18939 Posts |
Posted - Jun 18 2004 : 2:04:04 PM
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i was actually thinking in terms of traffic light colours, rather than tomato's  |
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WannabeeDeveloper
Tomato Guru
Germany
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Posted - Jun 19 2004 : 3:44:54 PM
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| What would traffic-lights look like in Tomato-Land, anyway? |
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feline
Whole Tomato Software
United Kingdom
18939 Posts |
Posted - Jun 21 2004 : 06:22:07 AM
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three coloured tomato's on a stick?
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Originally posted by support
We are still trying to reproduce or understand state 3.
see my post dated 21st June in 2493
this is back to front, in that the problem shows up after a delay. still, it definitely reminds me of state 3. |
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